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Revolution in the Making: France and Beyond #YellowJackets

Discussion in 'The Case For...' started by enjoypolo, Dec 10, 2018.

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    Thanks for the link rani. A glimmer of hope.
     
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    It's unstoppable at this point: Between France, Venezuela, Haiti , Algeria and Spain (and Catalonia) has just sparked its fuse again.
    How many other countries going thru similar things, but are un-reported or overlooked by the media?

    In few hours it's gonna be Act 15 in France. Far too long, the genie is out of the bottle now.
     
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    I mentioned the RIC vaguely in my previous response, but it's a point of convergence for many in the French Yellow Vest movements, because it's the tool of tools. This video from Collective Enslavement describes it in more details. I think the topic sparks very interesting questions.

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    Unfortunately, I think it's a slightly blunt tool. According to this legal dictionary (may or may not be correct or apply to all jurisdictions)

    "The power of referendum does not permit the people to invalidate a law that is already operative but suspends or annuls a law that has not yet gone into effect. In this sense, referendum is similar to a governor's Veto power. Also, by referendum the people may reinstate an act that the legislature has expressly repealed."

    So, for example, here in Australia they have enacted some really bastard surveillance laws which have essentially destroyed our privacy. They rushed it through in the Christmas lull, and now that's enshrined, something like a RIC would not allow us to repeal that law.

    Enjoypolo - I didn't watch all the videos you posted on the Citizen Ateliers, do any of them speak to this issue?
     
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    Totally agree with you Rani. Etienne Chouard, who's a prominent figure in the movement, calls it the Prince's Referendum, a fake one, because:
    1) it's legitimacy isn't backed by anything concrete (you can make people say yes to anything with framing), and thus can be used against the people.

    2) A notorious case in 2005, when France voted No to ratify the EU's constitution treaty, that ultimately was signed in three years later (Lisbon Treaty) despite the wishes of its people. As far as I know, it's the same case in the UK with Brexit today.
    So in both cases, the sovereignty was abused because referendums aren't really legitimized.

    But so a true no-strings-attached RIC, would potentially remediate that by being a constitutional guarantee. What I mean by that, is RICs exist in many countries, like Italy, as well in the US in some states, like California, or Oregon. But the caveats (at least in Italy) is: you can RIC on any subjects, except taxation. So it's the short end of the stick; another scam.

    However, the examples from Oregon are quite fascinating. Edit: I just found out Arizona, California, Massachusetts and Colorado also have similar Citizen Initiatives Reviews (CIRs).

    Colorado (2014): Seems to be the only CIR in the State, to debate GMO Foods labeling policies
    Oregon (2016): Corporate tax-related legislative amendments. Similar GMO-related debates as well.
    More information in other states
    I do think that's a model that can be adapted for various types, and across various scales.

    Another big topic is information control, and who/how to manage the flow of information, in such a way that it doesn't fall under a parasite control (like the situation now where few billionaires own most of the media). Total government control media isn't my cup of tea either (and China is a not leading by good example in this matter either). And frankly, I'm not sure what's the best solution, but that's why this movement, through citizen ateliers are powerful places for dialogue and co-operation.

    Actually, I find this forum/community quite similar to a citizen atelier, in fact, doing similar work by discussing these issues, and building on top of each others perspectives.

    And it will take time, no doubt, but without waxing too poetic, the fact that our minds are entangled with such ideas already is effecting change in the field.

    EDIT: I wanted to add though, that there are many great propositions for media control, such as the idea for the creation of a publicly-funded organ of information that would hold contradictory debates for 6 months (or less, or more) once a RIC has been catalyzed. No advertisements, and publicly accessible channel so that most people can follow. This is just one example, many others.

    This reminds me of Robert David Steele's Open-Source Everything manifesto, in that by crowdfunding the raw brain-power of world population, we can make drastic improvements, in intelligence, but elsewhere.
     
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    As usual, the livestream links to Today's protests in Paris (and throughout France)
    Act16:
     
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    Thanks for this enjoypolo, while I knew what scant news I had seen was likley twisted I've been meaning to catch up on what exactly is going on. Just wondering how many assumed there was more to this than the MSM would have us think, I'm hoping it's like consiracy or smoking weed. You think your one of the only ones but turns out it's half the people in the room and growing!
     
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    The French ministry of the interior is making a fool of themselves by pretending, every week, that only a few thousand protesters participated, when in fact, the un-official numbers from various police unions put it at hundred of thousands of people across France.

    You have to wonder what is coming next, since these people have had the balls to protest during the the coldest and harshest time of the year.

    My intuition tells me once spring arrives, a literal surge in numbers will inevitably follow.

    Meanwhile, Algerians at home, and in Paris, are also protesting against their president and officials, after the former is announcing his fifth-consecutive term as President. Paris is like a melting-pot of chaos right now, what an incredible moment.


    #SpaceWeather :rolleyes:
     
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    17th consecutive week.. still in the streets. Allez Gilets Jaunes #act17
     
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    Australia joins in the CIR fun

    It's wierd, we're a nation based on criminals and rebellions, but mention to anyone now that they should be up in arms about the shit the govt pulls today, they look at you like you're a freak.

    "The aboriginals called gold kara kara, and Jarra elder Brien Nelson tells a story of how one shepherd boy discovered about the gold from a Jarra kid:

    I asked Brien, “For you Jaara people, what was gold good for?”

    He said, ‘Nothing. The first white people who came here were farmers, and one day a Jaara kid and a white shepherd boy ere having a chat, and the Jaara boy bent over and picked up a lump of gold.

    The shepherd thought to himself, “That’s gold.”

    The Jaara kid said, “See those crows, I bet I can hit him.”

    And the shepherd said, “But wait, don’t throw it away, that’s gold!”

    “No good to me,” said the Jaara kid, and he threw the nugget of gold at a crow. “Got him!” said the Jaara kid.

    “Don’t you want that gold?” asked the shepherd.

    “No good to me. It’s too soft spear point and knife, and when I go walking, it’s too heavy to carry. So I leave it. Just rubbish.”
     
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    As you know, I've been following the french media scene, and it's been an incredible education, self-development, stimulation of thoughts & ideas.
    The latest light in the dark is Juan Branco, who happens to be one of Julian Assange's lawyers, as well as some highlighted members of the Gilets Jaunes (Fly Rider/Maxime Nicolle). His latest interview on ThinkerView (a French youtube channel interviewing various thinkers, philosophers, economists..) really delighted me. He embodies the shift of petit-Paris intellectuals (close circle of high elite$ of France) whose veil has been lifted, and is now switching sides, denouncing with a clarity of mind that is examplary.

    caveat: certainly, there are those Ordo Ab Chao seekers with deceitful intentions, but my litmus test is Actions speak louder than words, and in his case, I don't find material that would discredit, or contradict his actions.

    One point that struck me in the conversation, is how decisive this week's coming protest on Saturday 3/16, Act 18 will be, both for the yellow vests who are getting seriously tired/exhausted both financially, and psychologically, as well as for the rest of the country.

    This week coincides with the end of Macron's scam initiative called Grand Debat National (aka No-Debat National) which was nothing but a "preaching to the choir" debate, a masquerade imposing his dialectic that he has audaciously used as his EU election platform.

    Act 18 will also see other groups in solidarity, including some unions, as well as teachers.
    In essence, this protest could be an ultimatum Make-It-or-Break-It act.
    Chances are, this could potentially be the most violent one in terms of injuries, or god forbid, worse.

    Will the protests continue afterwards? Probably, but it seems that a shift in tactics will occur. (An interesting RV experiment to be made here)

    It'd be interesting to have access to worldwide Heartmath data, see what coherence of minds are occuring in real-time during these moments.


    EDIT: some added links.

    https://www.heartmath.org/gci/gcms/live-data/global-consciousness-project/

    RT France: Act XVIII: https://translate.google.ca/transla...-du-mouvement-determinees-etre-plus-radicales
     
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    Live-stream link Acte 18:



    Paris is burning

    EDIT: From what I saw online, this was one of the more violent protests, but also the most "wasted" opportunity to make a point. Indeed, all the media attention went towards the vandalized stores and burning restaurants, which seemed to take away the legitimacy of today's protest.

    Crazy scenes though:


    https://twitter.com/ClementLanot/status/1106966695539867655

    Notice a lot of the casseurs (vandals) are fully-black clothed. They could be anybody.
     
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    On the eve of Act 19, it's good to put couple things into context.
    The last time I looked at the stats, approximately 60-70% of French (in reality, those surveyed) are supporting the Gilets Jaunes/Yellow Vests in France, and even more agree to their demands.

    Last week, on the very same day that Act 18 was happening, with one of the most riotous elements (refer to previous post), French President Emmanuel Macron was hanging out in the mountains to recuperate from his Africa trip. Just a day before, his Minister of Interior, Christophe Castagnier, was reported hanging out at nightclubs until late.
    It almost feels psy-opsy where they're trying to fan the flames, wishfully or else.

    Which brings me to this week's headline circulating on RT France is about the potential use of mercenaries, and national armed forces to intervene in the protests. The idea is to use Operation Sentinelle, an anti-terrorism task force recently created, that will be justified in the face of last week's violence. It's important to know that a lot of the agents provocateurs were either wearing a yellow vest, and, or else, many simply were dressed in black, Antifa-looking types. The former, also has been seen with citizen cops, who were woring the yellow vest.

    So with the Army in the streets, it's gonna be a tough show. But Life is a mystery:rolleyes:
     
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    Some incredible scenes from city of Montpellier during todays Act 20:
     
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    https://translate.googleusercontent...700253&usg=ALkJrhh2tQWtpfD72FfnwgMDlsBCtNSkQw

    A story, first circulated by the French media Le Parisien, featuring an anonymous source close to the President has disclosed Macron is drowning in waters, crumbling under the pressure, and on the verge of a physical burn-out. Now it’s being relayed by RT France, which means a great deal.

    Not surprising if you ask me, when your soul carries the weight, anger of your people, including the dead ones probably haunting him from Beyond the veil.

    To me, coming from a billionaire media, this is a surprise (though not really), and suggests a change in the winds, and Macron is probably being thrown under the bus, with yet another dialectic being prepared in the devil’s kitchen.

    The silver lining of these chaotic times, is that once again, it brings out the best out of the brightest minds, incl. those within the inner circles who flip sides upon being awakened.
     
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    Just wanted to leave this link for the francophones out there. A true, honest, intellectual effort to debate what's wrong with neo-liberal-Macronist France today.
    It warms my heart, and gives me hope that a real revolution, for and by the people is imminent, and will ripple across the pond worldwide no doubt.

    The debate features Maxime Nicolle (aka FlyRider) who's become a prominent figure by circumstances, who just got released from police interrogation (intimidation). Next to his lawyer, Juan Branco (also member of Julian Assange legal team) who recently released his seminal book, Crepuscule. And then Etienne Chouard, the main figure of the RIC which got me into this movement in the first place.
    Last but not least, Didier Maisto, whom I'm not familiar with, but does an incredible job at mediating this fruitful debate.

    At the eve of Act 21, the tides are really shifting, and as the debate mentioned, the minds of the people are really switching gears to Revolution.
    No one knew that in December's protests (when it was still kindling) Macron had a helicopter to evacuate him from Elysee Palace in case shit hit the fan. Alas, this act gave people the possibility that powers may be re-possessed.

    It's also nearing the EU Elections (which is a joke by the way..) but which still matters in the eyes of the Deep State.

    How long will the Police remain on the side of the tyranny?
    When will the so-called elected officials start resigning out of shame/principles? (quite a few already have)
    Will I have the courage to join these people if I was there on site?
    So many questions, all bets are off at this point.

    PS: Some courageous filmmakers are already releasing films relating to this movement. The first one I'm aware of, that's just been released yesterday is called, J'veux du Soleil (I want some Sunshine), and looks more like an actual documentary. Vive la Revolution!
     
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