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Flat Earth being a PsyOp

Discussion in 'The Case For...' started by chukobyte, Dec 19, 2017.

  1. chukobyte

    chukobyte Member

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    Hey fellow THCers,

    I've been following discussions on the flat earth vs globe earth models for some time now. Out of all conspiracies, this still seems to be the one to trigger anger in a lot of people (Not saying that means it's valid). Usually if the context is more conspiratorial, accusations of the flat earth being a psyop to discredit "real conspiracies" are usually put out there in the discussion.

    Does anyone have evidence or examples for the case of flat earth being a psyop? Of course this is more about flat earth being a psyop and less about if it's true, but feel free to express your views on the heliocentric theory vs the flat earth theory as well.
     
  2. chukobyte

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    Thanks @shamangineer for sharing your thoughts and linking to a previous post. I've heard a rumor of Eric Dubay possibly being a CIA agent and was wondering if there was something to that or similar things with other people as well.
     
  3. metalegs

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    It would be simple enough t test.
    Stand on a beach with a telescope and take a pic of Australia. (or similar)
    Something so easy to confirm, but avoided, screams manipulation to me.
     
  4. josh

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    As Carlwood says, I'm "Earth Shape Agnostic" at this point. That said, I've followed Flat Earth for quite a while and I have to say there are some people that really seem to stick out as not being genuine. ODD put out a video showing how Mark Sargent & Patricia Steere have some very shady backstory. Anyone that's followed FE on youtube is aware of Mark Sargent, I'm sure, but in just in case: He is the creator of "Flat Earth Clues" which is one of the first documentary-length films one comes across when researching FE (and for some, it's the series that made them truly question the official stance). Patricia Steere is more of a minor player; she doesn't really make any original statements of her own, but provides more of a platform for other FE'ers on her interview style show called "Flat Earth and other hot potatoes." Here's the video link:


    A few points from ODD's video that stand out to me are:
    1. Mark & Patricia supposedly met AFTER finding Flat Earth. ODD's video shows that isn't quite true.
    2. There's varying backstory's on Patricia's true age, things like her mother's death date, etc.
    3. Mark & Patricia both have smartphone apps made by a company called "Metatron" which supposedly came to them and offered to help make the apps for them. Metatron is not some indie developer; rather they appear to be a corporation with some interesting motivations.
    4. Their smartphone apps don't really offer much that you can't already find on YouTube video searches, yet they require a ton of permissions like access to your camera, microphone, ability to always run even when phone is asleep, etc. Way too many permissions for a simple youtube-linking app.
    5. Here's a big one for me: Those same apps have a version history that goes back to 2010! I've attached screenshot of this one in case someone doesn't want to watch the video. As a software & app developer myself, this one seems really really sketchy. Mark's app was initially submitted to app store in March of 2010 and Patricia's June 2010. This would be several years before they said they stumbled upon flat earth.

    There's some dirt on Dubay too, another major player in FE (arguably the #1 person of reigniting the whole subject), i.e. his girlfriend being the daughter of a high ranking military officer in Thailand, living on Thai military base, and Eric living in Washington after claiming he's never been there.

    Sure, none of these things are proof of a psyop. However, they aren't what you'd expect to find from someone who has been truthful. Mark & Patricia try to come across transparent to strengthen their devotion to flat earth, in fact even giving out his own phone number for anyone that want's to call him. It just doesn't make sense.
     

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  5. chukobyte

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    @josh I'm not familiar with Flat Earth Clues, I'll look into it. Thanks for summarizing the points of the video. Also, the video is unavailable with the youtube link you provided.

    @metalegs I've searched for the longest distance ever captured and I came across this picture. This is allegedly the "Current World Record of distant landscape photagrahy" at 443 km (275 miles).

    https://beyondhorizons.eu/2016/08/03/pic-de-finestrelles-pic-gaspard-ecrins-443-km/

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    Is it possible to see the peeks of the mountains according to the globe earth model? Would atmospheric refraction account for the curvature we should see in this pic?
     
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  6. metalegs

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    Should we be about to see this in the globe model. No....and yes.
    There seems to be as many calculations for curve as there are theories. Even so if we assume the picture is what they say it is. It seems to be taken from a fairly high vantage point and its a picture of mountains. So how high is it from, and how high are the mountains viewed? If they are both 5 miles high that would compensate for a lot of curve.
     
  7. chukobyte

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    @metalegs The mountain the picture is taken from elevation is 1.75 miles and the mountain in the center of the picture (at 443 km) elevation is 2.5 miles. Are there any other variables we need for an accurate calculation?

    @josh I followed up on Mark and Patricia and I can definitely see the sketchiness. That app store thing is pretty weird. An app is not going to ask for permission on something unless the app will use it (unless they mistakenly coded it in which isn't plausible imo). I also think it's a bit much that "Flat Earth International Conference" 2018 price has nearly doubled from last year's. Dubay's girlfriend's parents both working for the Royal Thai Military is strange as well. Thanks again for the info, I wasn't really familiar with Mark and I haven't heard of Patricia.

    I find that B.O.B's gofundme campaign is strange. At first he was asking for $200,000, then he elevated it to one million! The money is going to go towards weather balloons and "research"...
    https://www.gofundme.com/showBoBthecurve

    Maybe a better case to put forward would be how are people using the flat earth to make money...
     
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    I think that flat Earth is indeed, a Psy-op. I believe that it's one of many a parameter calibration of sorts, with the hope of determining what the limits are in terms of the "distracting, divisive devices" that can be employed into the mass consciousness. A metric for how much irrelevant, sleight-of-hand bullshit that one can fool the masses with.

    A nation, let alone a world, divided is subject to the distraction of internal conflict. External manipulations can go almost completely unnoticed when employing these "devices."

    The Psy-op originators to the people:
    "Keep yourselves distracted by questioning established fact, rather than uniting against New World Order."
     
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  10. trintdaddy

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    It most certainly has signs & fingerprints of being a psyop. With that said, NASA is, in my opinion (after years of research), most certainly NOT to be trusted on any matter. Many people make the mistake of taking that to believe this proves flat earth. This is illogical & a nonsequitor. That said, the equation we're given for earth curvature proves ZERO curvature, & I've yet to see any reliable proofs of curvature. It is what it is!
     
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    Neil Kramer stated that there is a flat earth inside a larger sphere/planet. Like a upper & lower that are reflections of each other.
     
  12. matrixshifter

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    Another thing that I wonder is how these people came out of nowhere. Such as Mark Sargent, and the other youtubers. Massive followers, and most of them also have online radio shows with Truth Frequency Radio. It just seems odd.. Also with the recent youtube purge, guess who didn't get wiped out, the flat earthers.
     
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    as a heavy youtuber at the time flat earth surfaced, i can attest that it was HEAVILY featured & pushed via their "recommended" sections. clearly their algorithms were promoting certain videos & channels.
     
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    I think this perfectly answers your question regarding how these people just popped up out of nowhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCzgrvIiN-4YGDifXWyOFHGEGjwtkLj8R
     
  15. matrixshifter

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    Great info^, I'm also leaning towards the idea that the fake moon mission, fake space/iss, flat earth etc, is all a clever psyop in itself to hide space. It makes sense from a national/global security standpoint. If you have space technology you can't freely share information and footage with the world. Whoever has control of space has control of the planet. I think footage is purposely faked and the conspiracies are laid out by the government to steer the masses and alternative reasearchers ina direction. Has anyone researched the actual origin of the faked moon landing conspiracy? Who started it? That's the question.
     
  16. chukobyte

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    For the longest time, the moon landing hoax conspiracy theory was one too far... I didn't even want to look into it and and I viewed it about like I view the flat earth - as a psyop to sucker in conspiracy theorists and then attach a pejorative label to them.

    It was only when someone on the Skeptiko forum 2-3 years ago started a thread on Dave McGowan's essays "Wag the Moondoggie" ( http://www.whale.to/c/Dave McGowan - Wagging The Moon Doggie.pdf ) that I became open to the idea and now lean heavily towards some or all of it being faked.
    http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/wagging-the-moondoggie.2326/

    Obviously he wasn't the first to propose that it was fake... one of my old relatives who watched it live on TV always maintained it was fake... but McGowan's essays were the first that I came across as presenting a good case.

    I haven't really researched/debated it much since that Skeptiko thread, but as I recall the main things that swayed me were:
    1) NASA says it LOST all the original data from the missions - all telemetry data, video recordings, even the plans for the Saturn V - all gone. All we have now is some of the recordings of the recordings.
    2) we haven't been back since. With our present technology so much more advanced it seems like it wouldn't be that difficult now to go back if we could do it then using vacuum tubes.
    3) Several trips to Antarctica were made prior to the missions to collect meteorites from the moon. Now it is reasonable they would want to do this to be prepared for the lunar surface, but then we no longer know whether the rocks collected were actually just what they found in Antarctica... and one supposed moon rock given as a gift to another nation turned out to be petrified wood.
    4) MANY videos show the astronauts being yanked upwards and knocked off balance during moon walks. They were clearly suspended by cables to simulate low G. There is also evidence of varying frame rates. Only in one video do the astronauts make high jumps and in that video the astronauts head and legs are obstructed from view.
    5) There is a video of an astronaut throwing a hammer back in the LEM and it makes a banging sound even though sound can't travel through space.
    6) The astronauts looked and sounded so dejected in their press-conferences after returning.
    7) The ability to hover/land a rocket is something we have only recently perfected (see recent Spacex Falcon9 booster landings) and it requires computer control. Human pilots can't run their mental feedback-loops fast enough to do it.

    Anyway... didn't mean to threadjack into the moon landing hoax, but there is actually a lot of meat there and I would definitely not classify it in the same category as the FE.

    Would be nice if the USA could admit we haven't put a man on the moon yet as that might generate renewed interest in going there... but what would our guy say when he takes the actual first step? "One small step... for REALS this time you guys! I swear!" We'd have to get independent third parties with telescopes to verify otherwise no one would believe us.
     
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    There's so much evidence for it all being faked, and on the flip side there could be a Secret Space Program. But that just seems too fantastical, and there seems to be so many scam artists and disinfo re guarding SSP
     
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    Okay, so we know these Nazi Paperclip guys went to Antarctica right before "going to the moon," so they clearly had other things on their minds. In context, the "moon landing" is the best Big Lie in history, but after convincing everyone that World War II was all about racial hate, they figured this moon thing was a walk in the park. The sorcerers who confused the world for at least two giant world wars were then imported to America where they could continue their experiment in farming people. This time they would give them the moon. As D. McGowan's piece points out, this poorly-filmed charade was supposedly pulled off with 0.004% of the fuel that the creator of the rockets said would be necessary to complete such a trip. To fully convince the entire American public and the world that this was possible - nay, that it occurred! - they used every trick in the book: drugs, hypnotism, mind-control trauma. Television was rolled out with relentless haste, followed hard upon by the psychedelic revolution (which we now know has some very dubious beginnings), and then to traumatize the entire nation you have the JFK assassination which STILL gets talked about as a major emotional trauma, along with a slew of other assassinations and the Vietnam War and the Manson murders. The mass media coverage of all of these events was the perfect execution of the techniques of mass-populous-trauma-based-mind-control that was honed and sharpened in the global media of WWII. With everyone so bummed out about carnage and violence AND super-high on talking-with-god doses of LSD, walking on the moon was the simplest thing to believe. Especially after they recorded so many rock songs about it.

    But why would they be so emboldened as to think they could create such a monumental lie about something so universally common as the MOON? Didn't they think that somebody else would get there eventually and figure out that they were fibbing?
    Or do you think that they just took Wernher Van Braun at his word when he said reaching the moon was a technical impossibility?
    Or do you think that they knew something we don't know?

    Just these considerations make me wonder about the model of the universe we live in. I'm not saying we live on an infinite flat plane, but maybe it's not a globe. If the Flat Earth thing is all a psy-op, then just what are they trying to hide? Because I have to come clean: Flat Earth was my big ticket down the rabbit hole. After I started looking into that, I found all the other conspiracies and it shattered all my paradigms. (I mean, Laurel Canyon, for Pete's sake!) So now it doesn't matter if the earth is flat or not, because my entire worldview is shifted; the spell is broken because I can see so much of the bullshit at face value. If this was an acceptable side-effect of a psy-op, what the hell are they hiding?!

    Well, I think a lot of us here understand what they are hiding is that the Universe we inhabit is built of Consciousness.
    If that's true, why can't it be flat and round, and dimensionless and a straight line and eleven dimensions all at once, depending on which part of Consciousness you viewed it from?
    Maybe nobody goes over 400 miles above the planet because past there you just leave this dimension. That would make sense to me.
     
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