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Elon Musk: Coming out of the closet?

Discussion in 'The Case For...' started by enjoypolo, Sep 18, 2018.

  1. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

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    Carnegie and Rockefeller had a lot to do with starting this. Unsurprisingly the capriciously rich were poorly regarded in the early 20th century due to decades of grinding wages in their works, Pinkerton and government suppression of strikes, and a complete disregard for worker's health. In order to combat this various philanthropic trusts and foundations were created to polish their tarnished images. Both were largely responsible for funding the current incarnation of the American school system based on the caste system (think school districts and housing prices) and indoctrination practices developed in the Prussian school system. This style of pedagogy (based on horse training methods) came out of Germany and was used to generate a highly regimented society for the purposes of having of obedient soldiers there. John Taylor Gatto has a wealth of information about this.



    The Carnegie Library system was also deployed at this time and while egalitarian on the surface could also be used to control widespread access to information on sensitive topics and act as a willing outlet for propaganda given the foundational relationship. Rockefeller was more on the direct giving (and aping gospel of wealth platitudes) by handing out dimes to every fucking person who got too close and had a bag of dimes at hand on all times to do so.

    https://in-this-together.com/bernays-the-danger-of-public-relations/

    From above:
    "In the early 20th century the Rockefeller family business had an image problem. Everyone hated them.

    They were widely seen as an evil empire of oil tycoon bankers whose tentacles reached across the U.S. and world economy, suffocating and crushing smaller businesses while exploiting their workers and customers. In April 1914 in Ludlow, Colorado the National Guard attacked a large family encampment of striking minors, killing more than 20 including women and children. Already disliked,the mining operations owner, John D Rockefeller was blamed by the public for the ‘Ludlow Massacre,’ making him arguably the most despised person in America.

    Ivy Lee turned his image around. He convinced Rockefeller, who fiercely guarded his privacy, to meet with the miners families and listen to their concerns while using the mainstream media to relentlessly publicise their meetings as ‘news.’ He suggested that Rockefeller family use philanthropy to be ‘seen’ to do good works. The Rockefeller’s recognised that they could exploit their foundations and trusts to corner whole sectors of society and set about changing U.S. education and medicine in order to control these markets. Ivy Lee set up a series of publicity stunts where J.D. Rockefeller was seen handing out dimes to people, especially children, using the media to promote the stunt as a symbol of Rockefeller philanthropy. It worked, by the mid 1920s J.D was seen as a great social reformer and leading light of U.S. civil society, despite his responsibility for ordering the brutal murders of striking miners and their families. The Rockefeller brand was transformed and J.D always carried a bag of freshly minted dimes with him.

    However, it was Bernays techniques of engineering mass consent that were of greater interest to the government, the military and the intelligence agencies, the Rockefeller’s and other globalists. During WWI Bernays was a leading member of the ‘Committee on Public Information’ who successfully turned a sceptical U.S. public towards supporting the war effort. He refined and perfected his techniques of psychological mass manipulation to develop the modern concept of propaganda. Bernays demonstrated he could manipulate entire nations using nothing more than information, orchestrated events and media manipulation."

    https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/likeonomics-the-unexpected/9781118238820/9781118238820c01.xhtml
     
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  2. sirujux

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    Yes I'm definitely familiar with this thread of information with John Taylor Gattos (saw the video before ;)) and also also the Rockerfellers and Edward Bernays in regards to public relations. As far as the Prussian school system, wasn't it developed after the Prussian army's defeat by Napolean? I actually first became aware of this after reading "Dangerous Imagination, Silent Assilimilation". As far as the birth of PR, march of dimes facade, etc was brought on my radar by the excellent documentary "Century of the Self". I've also read bits of Edward Bernay's book "Propaganda".

    “We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.”
    ― Edward Bernays
    I'll look into the links you've sent and dig into them. Thanks again!
     
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  4. shamangineer

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    Thank you for giving me renewed hope for humanity, you are quite an astute observer. You are correct that the Prussian school system was developed after the Prussian army's defeat at Jena in 1806. It was decided that the battle had been lost because of soldiers thinking for themselves so an education system which required immediate obedience was developed.

    https://feltd.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/the-prussian-german-educational-system/

    Something interesting from above:

    "The implimentation of the German educational nightmare in the United States met some initial resistence. In Carnegie’s home town of Gary, Indiana, the system was implemented between 1910 and 1916, mostly through the efforts of William Wirt, the school superintendent. It involved no academic endeavor whatsoever. It worked so well in supplying willing workers for the steel mills that it was decided by Carnegie to bring the system to New York City. In 1917, they initiated a program in New York in 12 schools, with the objective of enlarging the program to encompass 100 schools and eventually all the schools in New York. William Wirt came to supervise the transition.

    Unfortunately for Carnegie, the population of the 12 schools was predominently composed of Jewish immigrants, who innately recognized what was being done and the nature of the new “educational system”. Three weeks of riots followed, and editorials in the New York Times were very critical of the plan. Over 200 Jewish school children were thrown in jail. The whole political structure of New York that had tried this scheme were then thrown out of office during the next election. A book describing this scenerio, The Great School Wars, was written by Diane Ravitch on the subject. Curiously, William Wirt was committed to an insane asylum around 1930, after going around making public speeches about his part in a large conspiracy to bring about a controlled state in the hands of certain people. He died two years later."
     
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    Years of conditioning during development, takes years of hard work to unpick & unlearn.
    The built in barriers and peer pressure make it easy to allow limited growth so you can look back and say well done look I've turned my irons chains into a large prison like apartment.

    The best prison guard is a happy prisoner.
     
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    i wonder if he has a secret about a flying tesla. he probably cant release it yet and is doing stuff like space x and tunneling for money. soon ufos and flying cars will be for everyone to know about? but maybe he really thinks hyperloop and car ferries are a good idea.
     
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    I didn't know (or had forgotten) about Rockefeller and his bag of dimes. If true, that is an oddly horrifying detail. It seems to belong to the "uncanny valley" of charity -- in the way combines contempt (or at least an unthinkable amount of unconscious condescension) for the recipient, with what is almost surely a puzzled desire to do good, in spite of an essentially vicious nature. A fitting habit of a human monster.
     
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    How quaint, he even cared about the negro children. Bless his shriveled atrophied heart.
     
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    https://sputniknews.com/science/201904191074294575-ufo-craft-navy-patent-reveal/

    A US Navy scientist named Salvatore Cezar Pais has filed a patent for an unusual flying craft that employs an "inertial mass reduction device" to attain "extreme speeds", and which looks like something straight out of conspiracy theories about military testing UFO-style flying machines, Metro reports.

    According to the newspaper, the patent describes methods of reducing an aircraft’s mass via methods which include the generation of gravity waves, and that the craft’s design would allow it to create a vacuum around itself and, thus allowing it to move at high speeds in air, water, or even in space.

    Time is up for solid fuel rockets & Space X

    Is this the start of the drip drip release of black military tech? If the patent hasn't been classified as Military sensitive it must mean they already have it, used it, no longer need it, and it is now time for the public release. and who better to keep the technology origins secret but a high level Navy guy, (probably given the roll to relase and take the profits if he keeps the secret he has been keeping all these years)

    Remember the SR-71 Blackbird that was declassified a few years ago was first flown in 1964 and in development since 1958!!! if you show that picture to anyone and ask how old is the technology most will say in the last 10 years. not from 50 years ago!!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird

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    Links to relevant patents:
    https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/
    https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180229864A1/

    It looks like both are essentially using the the same mechanism as the "impossible" EM drive.
    https://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-o...wed-em-drive-paper-has-finally-been-published
     
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    ive been thinking shouldnt there be a invention for a free energy machine that you could put in the middle of the city and power most of it at least. if we can make ufo's and quantum computers lol
     
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    https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-driver-profiles-phone-keys-settings-elon-musk/

    Sharing Tesla’s electric cars will soon be a lot more convenient, with the company set to roll out a feature that allows saved driver profiles to be tied to a specific phone key. With such a system in place, Tesla’s electric cars will be capable of adjusting its settings according to a user’s preferences, even before it is used by another driver.

    The upcoming feature was confirmed by Elon Musk, who was responding to a request from a Model 3 owner who shares the electric sedan with his wife. According to the Tesla owner, he usually ends up cramped in the Model 3 if he forgets to swap driver profiles on the vehicle. Musk responded, noting that automatic tie-ins to driver profiles will definitely be coming in the future.

    so in the future we will have computers that fit in our pocket (a phone that's just as good as a home pc) and cars that are computers and they will link up? scary stuff
     
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    I’m all about blaming ‘Mericans for shit, but Shamangineer is correct, the man is South African by origin and holds citizenship there, in Canada, and in the US.

    I’m all about aggressive business. I don’t criticize Musk for much when it comes to holding his employees to the fire, hell, SpaceX is now the NASA that I grew up with. I prefer the man in charge of a company that places America in space to be a bit on the side of a dictator.

    Now about this Thailand fiasco. I think I have it figured. Elon is a textbook dork. Suddenly people are calling him Tony Stark, a moniker which epitomizes a dork’s wet dream. He sends a Mark XXIV submersible to aid in the rescue of children and some dude with a snorkel says it’s a PR stunt.

    Embarrassed, Musk doubles down and follows stereotypical logic and calls the man a Pedo. Then a year or so later gets caught smoking weed for the first time with the most famous Alternative Jock we know.

    Musk, emotionally, is still in high school. I don’t think there is any more to it.
     
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