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Electrogravitics

Discussion in 'The Case For...' started by shamangineer, Apr 24, 2017.

  1. shamangineer

    shamangineer Member

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    anti-gravity goes mainstream:

    Scientists funded by the European Space Agency have measured the gravitational equivalent of a magnetic field for the first time in a laboratory. Under certain special conditions the effect is much larger than expected from general relativity and could help physicists to make a significant step towards the long-sought-after quantum theory of gravity.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060325232140.htm
     
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  2. shamangineer

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    Behold the EM Drive which has been dubbed by most of the science press as the "the impossibilty drive":
    https://www.universetoday.com/130649/nasas-em-drive-passes-peer-review-dont-get-hopes/

    A Romanian dude running an EM Drive he made by soldering copper plate with a magnetron from a household microwave:


    Frankly the EM Drive is the electrogravitic equivalent of sitting in an office chair and flapping your arms faster in one direction than the other to scoot yourself along. Only in the EM Drive your arms are microwaves and the difference in friction is due to the density of space rather than the wheels of the chair. You can scoot off an office chair powered by a impulse-arm drive or use a microwave-impulse drive for your spaceship, but there are much easier and more efficient methods to get around. The only thing this has going for it is news coverage. It's essentially a really inefficient form of impulse drive from Star Trek from what I understand, similar in basic principle to the mechanical versions below:


    <-Short test of an asymmetrical capacitor being pulsed with ~16KV, rocking back and forth in mid-air

    <-Similar test with constant voltage in a vacuum, the linear laser line shows the displacement of the capacitor. Proof positive of electropulsive action.

    The main point of opposition to the idea of electropulsive motion A.K.A. electrogravitics is the idea that it violates conservation of momentum / inertia. The general premise of this concept is that you cannot push or lift against oneself for propulsion.

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    Baron Munchausen demonstrating a distinct lack of understanding of conservation of momentum by lifting himself and his horse by his own hair.

    For those who still have no idea what conservation of momentum is see below:

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    Okay, now we are all on the same page. Conservation of momentum is the basic premise behind a propeller, a jet, or a rocket - throw something away from you really fast to generate a thrust.

    The reason that electrogravitics are thought to violate conservation of momentum is because this concept is most often viewed from the standpoint of the following concepts:
    1. Space is empty, just look at the Wikipedia page about the Michaelson-Morely experiment and Relativity Theory. There is no ether of space to act upon (a common misconception).

    2. Inertia is the resistance of a body to motion and cannot be induced, never-mind the cause.

    3. Electromagnetic forces and gravity have no relationship whatsoever.

    The Standard Model cannot derive the gravitational constant which is the ratio of electrostatic to gravitational attraction between the protons and electrons in an atom. Without knowing how several basic forces like momentum itself originate one cannot claim to have a complete theory. An incomplete theory means there will be things that cannot be accounted for by the theory. These are called anomalies.

    Einstein believed there was a relationship between electromagnetism and gravity, that’s the bulk of what he tried for decades to unify in his unified-field theory and failed. I believe he failed because he essentially fixed space while allowing for curvature, which has been represented by a set of mathematical formulas which match observations to a degree, but lacked motion of an electromagnetic ether (although he did state that relativity was regarding a gravitational ether).

    Note also that Michaelson (of the Michaelson-Morely Experiment that disproved the luminiferous ether) believed in ether-based physics until the day he died. To understand the basic differences in the understandings of ether I will paint in broad strokes:

    A basic definition: Ether is the medium of light (electromagnetism), it is what the waves transverse through just as ocean waves are carried through water and sound is carried through air.

    Luminiferous Ether:

    Think of a cosmic block of granite as representing space, a rigid transducer of electromagnetic waves While the motion of a rigid ether was disproved by the Michaelson-Morely experiment it did not disprove a motion in a dynamic ether which these experimenters recognized at the time. This interpretation was not held by Einstein who considered it a fundamental experiment under-girding relativity which lacks etheric motion.

    Relativistic Ether:

    The fabric of space-time that current scientific thinking espouses (the "fabric" would be more of a spatial gelatin when you really think about it) with the curvature of the medium dictated by gravity because of Einstein's interpretation of the Michaelson-Morely experiment that there is no etheric drift and therefore no motion of the ether. This is where the concept of gravitational lensing comes from.

    Dynamic Ether:

    The concept of the dynamic ether is that space can flow and is the medium electromagnetic and gravitational tranmission. Based on the range of frequency conduction for electric signals the ether is a compressible fluid like a gas, but can still act like a liquid or solid at if the time for the induced displacement is short enough. Space and time are still interacting with the ether. Lensing would be accounted for by the etheric drift inherent to rotating massive objects.

    Dayton Miller followed up on the recommendations made by Michaelson and Morely in their paper for a measurement at altitude, in a less substantial structure than a basement, and with more than 36 datapoints. Dayton Miller’s Mt. Wilson experiments with hundreds of thousands of data-points laid the foundation for the physics which will be eventually adopted based on a dynamic ether (compressible) which acts as the “electric fluid” going back to Faraday’s experiments.

    "My opinion about Miller's experiments is the following. ... Should the positive result be confirmed, then the special theory of relativity and with it the general theory of relativity, in its current form, would be invalid. Experimentum summus judex. Only the equivalence of inertia and gravitation would remain, however, they would have to lead to a significantly different theory."
    — Albert Einstein, in a letter to Edwin E. Slosson, 8 July 1925 (from copy in Hebrew University Archive, Jerusalem.)

    Despite arguments to the contrary, I believe there is ample evidence from subsequent measurements that support Dayton Miller's experiments as seen below:

    http://www.helical-structures.org/new_evidences/modern-ether-drift-exp/ether-drift-exp.pdf
     
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  3. shamangineer

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    Why is motion of the ether so important? Because if the ether can move it will take things with it. In a complete Dynamic Ether theory atoms themselves are comprised of miniature etheric vortices imparting spin, frequency, ect. comprising the full array of phenomena seen at the subatomic level. Nikola Tesla seems to be one of the first to conceptualize using such forces for flight among other uses and is reported to have developed a dynamic theory of gravity which has yet to see the light of day the details of which was a closely guarded secret of Tesla's.

    The below is paraphrased from this link: http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/2012/04/teslas-dynamic-theory-of-gravity.html

    "The Faraday effect — the rotation of the plane of polarization of radiation in a dielectric medium (such as the atmosphere, space, and certain solid materials) in a magnetic field — stated that the angle of rotation of radiation is proportional to the magnetic field strength and the length of the path in the medium in the field. These early experimenters knew there was a connection between the rotatory motion and momentum, and sought to find it.

    The rotatory (versus the linear) character of magnetic phenomena was strengthened by Thomson’s experimentally verified conclusions on the magnetic rotation of light. This rotatory character not only influenced Tesla’s discovery of the rotating magnetic field, but is also fundamental to inertia and momentum, as I will later explain, since movement of a charged body constitutes a current which creates a magnetic field which creates the rotatory motion which “bores” through the ether like a drill to create momentum.

    Thomson’s system was later investigated by C.A. Bjerknes between 1877 and 1910. Bjerknes showed that when two spheres immersed in an incompressible fluid were pulsated, they exerted a mutual attraction which obeyed Newton’s inverse square law if the pulsations were in phase, while if the phases differed by a half wave, the spheres repelled. At one quarter wave difference, there was no action. Where pulses were non-instantaneous at distances greater than a quarter wavelength, attractions and repulsions were reversed (Repertorium d. Mathematik I [Leipzig, 1877], p. 268; Proc. Camb. Phil. Soc. iii [1879], p. 276; iv [1880], p. 29).

    The publishing of these researches and experiments in the physical journals of Europe were available to Nikola Tesla, during his student days at the Polytechnic Institute in Graz, Austria, and at the University of Prague, in Czechoslovakia. Tesla could read and understand all these pertinent journals in their original languages."
    A quote from "Tesla's New Monarch of Machines", New York Herald Tribune Oct.15 1911:

    “When I found that I had been anticipated as to the flying machine, by men working in a different field, I began to study the problem from other angles, to regard it as a mechanical rather than an electrical problem. I felt certain there must be some means of obtaining power that was better than any now in use. And by vigorous use of my gray matter for a number of years, I grasped the possibilities of the principle of the viscosity and adhesion of fluids and conceived the mechanism of my engine. Now that I have it, my next step will be the perfect flying machine."
    "An aeroplane driven by your engine?" I asked.
    "Not at all," said Dr. Tesla. "The aeroplane is fatally defective. It is merely a toy — a sporting play-thing. It can never become commercially practical. It has fatal defects. One is the fact that when it encounters a downward current of air it is helpless. The "hole in the air" of which aviators speak is simply a downward current, and unless the aeroplane is high enough above the earth to move laterally it can do nothing but fall."
    "There is no way of detecting these downward currents, no way of avoiding them, and therefore the aeroplane must always be subject to chance and its operator to the risk of fatal accident. Sportsmen will always take these chances, but as a business proposition the risk is too great."
    "The flying machine of the future—my flying machine—will be heavier than air, but it will
    not be an aeroplane. It will have no wings. It will be substantial, solid, stable. You cannot have a stable airplane. The gyroscope can never be successfully applied to the airplane, for it would give a stability that would result in the machine being torn to pieces by the wind, just as the unprotected aeroplane on the ground is torn to pieces by a high wind."
    "My flying machine will have
    neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety, higher speeds than have yet been reached, regardless of weather and oblivious of “holes in the air�? or downward currents. It will ascend in such currents if desired. It can remain absolutely stationary in the air, even in a wind, for great length of time. Its lifting power will not depend upon any such delicate devices as the bird has to employ, but upon positive mechanical action."
    “You will get stability through gyroscopes?" I asked.
    “Through gyroscopic action of my engine,
    assisted by some devices I am not yet prepared to talk about", he replied.
    To a Westinghouse manager, Tesla wrote 'You should not be at all surprised, if some day you see me fly from New York to Colorado Springs in a contrivance which will resemble a gas stove and weigh as much. ... and could, if necessary enter and depart through a window.'
    (7-7-1912) ( it will be a small box, not a huge "cigar" ) pg. 198 Tesla: Man Out of Time by Margaret Cheney
    Professor Francis E. Nipher subsequently demonstrated electrogravitic action in 1916.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=3...Francis E. Nipher electricity gravity&f=false

    Reproduced from the above Literary Digest dated December 22, 1917:

    “Experiments recently reported by Prof. Francis E. Nipher of Washington University, St. Louis, indicate that gravity depends to some extent upon electrical charge and that in certain cases it’s sign may even be altered sot that it becomes negative and the bodies concerned repel each other instead of attracting. It would seem to follow that if Professor Nipher’s experiments could be carried out on a sufficiently huge scale the weight of objects on or near the earth’s surface might be increased, lessened, or abolished, and that they might even be caused to fly off into space. . .”

    “gravitational attraction between masses of matter depends on their electrical potential due to charges upon them”

    Prof. Nipher stated in his paper printed in The Transactions of The St. Louis Academy of Science: “Every working-day of the following college year has been devoted to testing the validity of the above statement. No results in conflict with it have been obtained. Not only has gravitational attraction been diminished by electrification of the attracting bodies when direct electrical action has been wholly cut off by a metal shield, but it has been made negative. It has been converted into repulsion. This result has been obtained many times throughout the year. On one occasion during the latter part of the year this repulsion was made somewhat more than twice as great as normal attraction.”

    The Foo Fighters seen by the Allies at the end of WWII were most likely unarmed prototype electrogravitic craft developed by Germany. This is a very interesting thread to follow if you google: Viktor Schauberger, Wilhelm Reich, Nikola Tesla, and Project Paperclip. Do not believe everything you read on this subject, but understand this is due to substatial propoganda to muddy the water from mulitiple sources, which makes the water all the muddier. Understand that while the Schauberger device relies on atmospheric flow it creates a kind of localized plasma which is what truly propels the device.
    Thomas Townsend Brown's work on electrogravitics followed in the 50's and 60's, which went black after a few years (gobbled and classified by the military) is shown below:

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    The way that TT Brown described the action of the craft is essentially that it creates it's own etheric pocket in what might be called an inertia-less drive. Now that actually does violate conservation of momentum, oops.

    A Wired article on The Antigravity Underground:
    http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/11.08/pwr_antigravity.html

    A NASA paper on Asymmetrical Capacitors for Propulsion:
    http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040171929.pdf

    2003 US Army report on Force on an Asymmetrical Capacitor.
    http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001.pdf




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  4. satyagraha

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    I keep reiterating, "anti-gravity," as the term is generally conceived and used, is a misnomer. Our publicly known flight systems of today are truly anti-gravity. Electro-gravitation is gravity itself, not anti-gravity.

    As to the ether findings of the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiments, I have long said that it very well did prove the non-existence of a stationary ether in space, as the experiment was not stationary at all, but moving parallel to the ethers it was enveloped within.
     
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  5. shamangineer

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    Quite right!
     
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    I've been reading William M. Tompkins' book Selected by Extraterrestrials about his life and work at Douglas Aircraft Company (DAC) during the 50s and there are astonishing insights into the works that went on regarding non-conventional propulsion systems, including ionic thrust. Suffice to say, the scope and depth of the work that took place in this highly secret compartmentalized Think-Tank within DAC, with what looks like the brightest minds of the time, is miles ahead of what we're told exists. I highly recommend it to those interested in the topic.

    Meanwhile, there are numerous references to a classified DAC 5-part document named MTM-622 from 1954 (Unconventional Propulsion Schemes). I've been able to find 4/5 of the document online here for your viewing.
    I thought here would be a good place to share this information. Thanks for the great posts!
     
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    Been thinking of assembling my own ferrocell to personally observe the rotating magnetic fields of magnets in real time, holographically.
     
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    Where you guys go? Keep talking, I was loving this thread.
     
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    I think this may be a good opportunity to look at the recently released patents of the TR-3B Triangular craft. The mysterious inventor John St Clair has lots of other, very intriguing patents that I recommend checking out, including but not limited to: "Rotating electrostatic propulsion system", "Remote Viewing Amplifier", "Walking Through Walls Training System" or even "Full Body Teleportation System". This may be the start of previously-classified patents from the MIC.

    PS: A lot of this has to do with Tetrahedral geometry. This was discussed in Wisdom Teaching's latest episode and I think is a fundamental property of these phenomenons. Feel free to watch the video for more information!
    Photon Propulsion Spacecraft

    PS2: For anyone familiar with Mark McCandlish, a former illustrator for Northrop if I remember, and as one who has disclosed many important details on the fluxliner. The latest Cosmic Disclosure (transcript here) has amazing insights on the materials used, such as quartz, to insulate the stacked-+/-plates. And nice illustrations as well!

    EDIT 20/5: This was on the front cover of RT (From New Scientist publication)
    https://www.rt.com/viral/389066-plasma-jet-engine-breakthrough/
    Drip disclosure happening.
     

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