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electric universe/polar opening

Discussion in 'The Case For...' started by naphtha, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. chromerhino

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    They have done tests that duplicate a planet forming to the best that they can and in the tests there is a void in the center. I don't think that we can eliminate the possibility that there in a void in the center of the Earth. As far as huge polar openings I don't have a strong opinion on. The northern lights might be an effect from a light source from a light from the inside the Earth shinning out on to the atmosphere, but then again, there is already a scientific reason given that scientists feel very accurately explains the phenomenon so its difficult to argue the large polar openings stance.

    At the very least its a fact that there are very large voids all throughout the Earth and an ocean bigger than all the surface oceans below the crust. Another thing we have to keep in mind is that the ice caps are frozen fresh water. Salt water does not make ice in the way fresh water does. Where does all of that fresh water come from to make the solid fresh water type of ice? What do the polar bears drink? They would dehydrate and die in short order if they were to drink salt water.

    If you use a formula that doesn't accurately depict the physics involved and type of energies involved during the creation process of Earth, then the end result would obviously come to a conclusion that isn't accurate.

    It seems pretty far fetched that there would be large polar openings, but on the scale of the Earth they might be small. Who's to know since the conditions they would be in are the most extreme in the world and we can't openly investigate since there is a military presence there who will deny you access, and its a no fly zone. Pretty suspicious if you ask me.
     
  2. satyagraha

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    Just on that question of suspicion, maybe 35 years ago I went to So.Cal. for a few months and decided to visit the Cal. Tech. Library. Why? Because I had already tried the Seattle and Portland central libraries to try to find satellite photos taken over the poles. NASA was hawking their book with all the Landsat Series photos; photos of all the sub-arctic land masses from space. I wanted to see clear summertime photos of both poles and could not find these anywhere.

    All anyone has to do is look up and nearly all the satellites one might see are on north/south polar orbits. That's where the lion's share of traffic was in the early 1980s (and still is); over the poles. But for us, the people who are made to pay the bills for NASA, the military, and the spooks, <em>sorry Charlie</em>, it looks like we just don't have the clearance. If it's about clearance, then it's about secrecy.

    And so, here's how my trip to the Cal. Tech. Library went: First off, all there was in that library... <em>THAT</em> library, of all libraries... was only the same old Landsat book! I was able to question the very man whose library this was. I asked the Cal. Tech. Librarian for the satellite images I wanted, and then questioned why his library was lacking such important science. He acted genuinely shocked when I brought this to his attention. He pondered the issue and seemed apologetic. Then he said, "Here's the phone number of my friend. He's the librarian at JPL (the Jet Propulsion Labotatory)." I went to a phone and made the call to the JPL Librarian and told him what I wanted. Without pause he asked, "Who is this?" I told him I was just someone researching. I told him who had given me his number. Then I was told the photos were not available.

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    With Newton's law unquestioned, where will experimenter bias fall? It is believed that the Cavendish Experiment measured the mass of the Earth, but it was done with the assumption of mass as the source of gravity. It was looking for what it expected to find. Suspended lead balls were used as masses and an attractive force was looked for between individual lead balls. A force was found, and the mass of the Earth was then calculated based on what was expected to be the dynamics of those inert masses. What was not considered, so far as I can determine, was that being within Earths gravitational (or electric?) field, would similar masses of two different volumes have charges of two different field strengths induced from the gravity field in which the whole of the experiment was contained?

    Consider if someone were to build a similar experiment using iron balls instead of lead, and then conduct the experiment within a large extraneous magnetic field. Would not it be expected that the local magnetic field would induce a secondary magnetic field around the iron balls, making them act as magnets? Experience shows that magnetizable objects become magnets within such environments. The theory on this is that magnetizable materials condense theoretical magnetic lines of force, or flux. This characteristic is why transformers and motor rotors and field coils have iron cores to aid in the magnetic coupling.

    So, with Cavendish's experiment being done here on the surface of our gravitating planet, even though he did everything he could to isolate his workings*, where was the consideration that the highly massive objects that were the heart of the experiment would not be condensing this Earth's electrogravitic field strength, creating the observed mutual attractions?

    <blockquote>*To prevent air currents and temperature changes from interfering with the measurements, Cavendish placed the entire apparatus in a wooden box about 2 feet (0.61 m) thick, 10 feet (3.0 m) tall, and 10 feet (3.0 m) wide, all in a closed shed on his estate. Through two holes in the walls of the shed, Cavendish used telescopes to observe the movement...</blockquote>

    *Wikipedia: "Cavendish Experiment"

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    Gravity attracts all matter, ferrous or non-ferrous. much as do the globes of operating Van de Graff generators. Is it not fair, with the field electric charge of the planet being immeasurable from a point within the field, to suggest that gravity and electric charge could be the same force? The characteristics of lift and propulsion that are shown in the T. Townsend Brown patents suggest this all the more.

    Hollow charged spheres could not fit better into a model of an electric universe.
     
  3. naphtha

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    There is a lot of outstanding information in this
    You guys are clearly overworking my tiny brain
    Good stuff
     
  4. chromerhino

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    Very nice, Satyagraha. I concur. Hey... ummm... you got that JPL library number any more?? Lol
     
  5. satyagraha

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    Somehow I missed this post, though it looks as if I have been trying to answer it specifically here.

    <blockquote>The difficulty of determining the exact correlation of the exact energies and causation associated with our reality is that you have to have the correct science base in order to recognize the correct properties of everything and how they relate. If our science is based off from measuring energies with the wrong scientific assumptions then the instruments built to measure effects, affects, properties, etc will lead the research on a slightly skewed path, only leading to more questions and more theories with fundamental holes in them. Until the science is fundamentally revamped with the correct basis we will always be chasing our tails and never be able to correctly unlock the fundamental basis of our reality.</blockquote>

    I would say that the inferred equivalence of m1 and m2 in the Universal [F]Law of Gravitation is just that <em>wrong scientific assumption</em> we are seeking. I could not have stated your post better. Try to really think how far-reaching the assumption of that equivalence can be, and into how many of the sciences its tentacles extend. Where do all the missing matter, black holes, big bangs... even the strong and weak nuclear forces go, if it turns out that gravity has all along been electric charge? All these are products of the mathematics after...

    F = G X m1 X m2 / r^2.

    Everything is seen with this, the grandpappy of all materialist science as just the way of things. The "Law of Gravity" is the cliché benchmark for saying of what is sure, and what is absurd. It's a Hell of a cosmic joke, if I am correct.

    Humbly submitted for your approval... in <em>the Twilight Zone</em>...

    Namasté,

    Satya
     
  6. satyagraha

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    Did I run everyone off? This thread's gone very quiet.

    I really want to make the case for hollow planets here. How am I doing?
     
  7. chromerhino

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    Your doing very well. I am convinced. You didn't run me off. IMHO, I think we are more looking for convincing evidence in the way of actual leaks and stories now. Math and scientific experiments are on our side, now we need to find military operations, leaks and other real physical evidence backing up the math and science that alludes to the Hollow Earth Theory.
     
  8. satyagraha

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    That brings to mind something I read back in the mid-nineties, soon after I first got on line. I read a report at the time that all sightings of the large black triangles followed an interesting pattern. I wish I could find that report again. It named some officially designated class of Air Force base that were common around the continent, and said that if one drew straight lines between all those particular bases, every one of those sightings happened within fifty miles of one of those lines.

    Art Bell had one of those sightings himself. One night a caller to Art Bell reported one passing low overhead on a dark night. He said he had a rifle and started shooting at it, and someone speaking American English shouted down something like, "Hey asshole, knock off the shooting!" Some years later I had a neighbor tell me she saw one come over right here an hour before dawn.

    I have long assumed that the black triangles (the ones that are "ours" at any rate) are simply three Biefeld-Brown gravitors, spread out to allow them to work together, or off each other, because if only a free single one is energized, it will flip over, upside-down, and smash into to the Earth. Such is the polarized nature of electrogravitation. While operating around planets, better keep that negative side facing down.

    To understand the electric universe should be to start understanding gravity and its generation. I have a few ideas about that. I believe there is more than one way to skin that cat, or <em>spin up those ethers</em>. Of course the forces that are doing it now might not want anyone else in the game.
     
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    <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltfuS0WQXuQ">6 Clues That The Earth is Actually Hollow </a>
     
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    I don't agree with Jan Lamprect's politics, but his theories regarding seismology of the earth as it relates to a hollow earth model are quite interesting:
    <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j9lOf9HE54">Jan Lamprecht Hollow Earth Theory </a>
     
  11. satyagraha

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    Just reading up on Leonhard Euler now. I want to see how he came to his conclusions. Never heard of him until that video, which didn't tell much. But thanks anyway, for that.
     
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    I found this PDF which suggests that Euler too follows Newton's assumption that mass alone is responsible for the generation of gravity. If I am correct in my assumption that gravity is the electric field generated in the ether vortex of Earth (and other celestial spheres and various moving chunks of matter being accelerated by electrogravitational fields) then we might leave our present basic faulty assumption out of any new equations.

    http://eulerarchive.maa.org/hedi/HEDI-2007-04.pdf
     
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    As I understood Lamprecht's assumptions, electric forces mentioned within the Earth are due to electric currents, i.e., those of amperes and electromagnetism.

    While I would not totally reject the idea that electric currents would be there within conducting mediums very possibly existing inside the planetary interior, the fact that fluid vortices generate E charges (to be measured in volts) within their centripetal whorls and sustain without any conductive transferences happening to carry them away in the form of electric currents, through, or across, laminar strata, both could be the case, but only one of these is creating an attractive force involving any and all forms of matter. The voltages in question develop to their maximums within the most motional flows of the centripetal part of the vortex. Do not the concentric laminar orbital speeds in fluid vortices come close to the relationship of the orbital speeds within the solar system?

    As to the idea that the interior is homogeneous, I might postulate that it is stratified between outer and inner crusts, and that the stratifications create varied densities, i.e., laminar flows, which affect seismic wave speeds and vectors, creating both tunneling, deflecting, and refracting, of wave transmissions through and across various materials of various densities.

    Beyond this, it is quite surprising to see someone stand up and publicly propose the hollow Earth. Reading the comments on the video page show the standard mindsets.

    I would suppose much less mass for the planet than any of Lamprecht's drawings, as it is certainly unneeded when we look for generation of the gravity field, freed as I am from any need of mass in gravity's creation. My term for Earth's structure would be, "a crusty bubble."

    Conductors moving within magnetic fields, and vice versa, can answer why there could be a terrestrial magnet. A vortex answers how there can be gravity, whether there is a magnetic field there or not.

    I would propose an experiment (best done in deep space) to create a strong static charge on a globe and allow that charge to accelerate a visible fluid toward it, observing to see if the fluid shows a tendency to spiral or meander toward the charged globe. This will tell us that our charge is acting as Earth's gravity does here on the planetary surface, where a fluid accelerated by falling takes a spiral path toward the Earth.

    I submit that there is a reciprocal relationship between ether motion and electric charge. If we produce an electric charge, we will produce ether vortex motions. If we produce ether vortex motions, we will thereby produce electric charge. I believe this to be key in such phenomena as Searl's and Schauberger's reported levitation results, as well as that old bumblebee. It's how we will be able to build the peoples' flying saucers. So, where do we want to go with this?
     
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    Now this little adventure into the interior of my imagined Earth is weighted heavily by way of Velikovskian influences. Of course he was not a hollow Earther, but he was the first Electric Universalist I ever encountered. Velikovsky found pretty compelling evidence for a recent (in historical terms) axis shift, the north terrestrial pole of which moved from the area of the Davis Straight west of Greenland to where it is at present. The US and Canadian Great Lakes (glacial lakes of the Canadian Shield's glacially excavated granite) trace the arc of the previous Arctic Circle. Ice in Northeastern North America and Northeastern Europe became ice in Siberia overnight, flash freezing mammoths with temperate plants in their teeth. (Ice age, or axis shift?)

    Using this as a model, I envisioned the molten portions within the laminar strata, rotating with, but not in complete unison with, the inner and outer crusts. My feeling is that the sub-crustal molten circum-planetary channels were running fairly parallel to the terrestrial crust before the most recent axis shift, thereby making magnetic north near to true north at the time. When the axis was shifted by planetary near collision with Mars, it was mainly a crustal slippage, in a time of continents breaking up, rising, and subsiding, sea-floor spreading zones activated the world around, and most every earthquake fault and volcanic vent being activated. But the crust's moving did not overcome the gyroscopic flows within the magmas which continued in their channels.

    Within such a cosmic catastrophe, the crust has to simply go along with the fluid vortex structural nature or our hollow spheroid, and this would include possibly any needed rearranging of the polar holes' locations. But holes aside, any electrically conducting internal lava belts would not likely reach to the high Arctic and Antarctic latitudes, where they must solidify for any idea of holes to have an chance of being. So, what I see is that the magnetic poles point to such a lava belt being tilted out of line with the new motions of the crust.

    I see now, the movement of the north magnetic pole, tracing a line that would indicate that the magma belt is slowly eroding its way back into alignment with true north. If one projects the movements back in time, one might notice that it is spiraling away from the old Davis Straight area, creeping west and north, headed to eventually relax back at true north (if true north stays where it is now for long enough).

    In 1986 I wrote a paper I called, <em>A Mechanism Accounting For the Subsidence of the Waters of the Great Flood</em>. In that paper I stated that much of the sea-floor spreading zones were fairly new upwelled basaltic lavas and were caused by the centrifugal forces pulling outward on the crust by a huge deposition of extraterrestrial waters. By way of scripture, these waters rose for 150 days and subsided for 150 days. When the crust gave up its battle to stay together, the oceans quenched the molten basalts of the spreading zones as they widened. The continents traveled away from each other. The Eastern Pacific seabed spread west with a flow of basalt being extruded from under the Sierra Nevada (this is one large exception to the standard spreading zones that are centered on a ridge of basalt volcanoes -- The Sierra Nevada are metamorphic granite, produced by the melting through the continental crusts by the deeper basalts that did not escape to the west as the Easter Pacific Abysmal Plane). These sea-floor spreading zones are Earthly stretch marks. The planet is quite larger than it was before the extraterrestrial waters of the Great Flood arrived.

    I made no suggestion at the time I was writing of where such waters in space might have originated, but it was while I was typing out that lengthy piece on a manual typewriter, I discovered previously unpublished notes from Velikovsky suggesting that Earth had been in orbit around Saturn when it had novaed, forever rearranging the solar system, no longer a binary star system. There just wasn't enough <em>White-Out</em> to redo all those typed pages and I never quite finished, or got back to, that writing.

    I believe that in the four to six cosmic catastrophes of the past three and a half millennia, written of by Velikovsky, each probably widened oceans and dropped sea levels by triggering smaller sea-floor spreading events than that engendered by the waters of the Great Flood. But again in these events, sea levels lowered, and the event of the axis shift/Mars encounter, dropped them again. This fifty foot drop (a total for these four to six events) was noted as a mystery within "The Secrets of the Lost Red Paint People (12/15/1987 NOVA program)." A seafaring race of people of the North Atlantic who mysteriously left shell piles miles from the ocean at fifty feet above sea level. They were called the Red Paint People because they were found in various burials with iron oxide, something Velikovsky associated with the first of the cosmic catastrophes in <em>Worlds In Collision.</em> Something I am pretty sure Velikovsky did not know about at the time of his writing.

    Okay, friends and neighbors, that's all for this night. Us old farts gotz to get our rest.
     
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    Something I remembered after that post about black triangle sightings and that report on a website. That report included a map of the lower 48 with the AF bases and the lines, and the points where the sightings took place. After thirty years, it took a while to remember that.

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    A note on that last post: a couple years after my attempt to write that 'flood waters' paper, I started a 13 year house sitting period in a house that contained a very extensive collection of <em>National Geographic</em> magazines. A whole wall of the living room was yellow, fading back to white in the oldest copies. The collector/owner had the habit of removing the inserted maps from copies for which he no longer had in their original mailing sleeves. Those maps were in a couple shoe boxes on one of the shelves. Many of those <em>Nat. Geo.</em> maps of the oceans had great renderings of ocean bottom topography which I would spend hours studying.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Earth_seafloor_crust_age_1996_-_2.png

    While science of the Uniformitarian bent will always stretch geological history into millions of years, I of course will disagree. I dismiss the time lines on the linked map, but post the link to point to two things: the positions of Atlantis and Lemuria. Lemuria has been said to have included Australia. I place the rest of that continent to the east of Australia, as what is seen in its topography is not the typical stretch marks of the sea-floor spreading zones. Atlantis, from the recorded words of Plato and the trance channeling of Edgar Cayce, was apparently split in two by the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.

    I find it interesting that while the magnetic north pole has made its trace westward, trending north, a few thousand miles to the southwest, the Hawaiian Islands hot spot has its trace moving somewhat parallel and opposite, eastward, trending south. Is not the Yellowstone Caldera hot spot also moving eastward? I can envisage a hot current in the magma belts at work on the thin crust, and see that this too describes a similar arc to the glacial Great Lakes of the US and Canada, pointing to that old terrestrial polar location. Could these help us to find the current polar hole locations, if they are not precisely aligned with the planet's rotational axis? I would suspect they would not be so aligned.

    Anyway, it's fun to think about this stuff.
     
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    Just going to bump this thread and see what happens.
     
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    Shamangineer, I noticed that your image of Tesla that I quoted from has disappeared.
     
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    The aetherforce.com website went down, hopefully it will come back up again soon it was an inspiration and part of what got me on the path I've been on with research.

    His twitter page is still up:
    <a href="https://twitter.com/theaetherforce">https://twitter.com/theaetherforce</a>
     
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    What practical devices or DIY experiments might be available to demonstrate EU principles over Newton's laws?

    Thanks good people for the digest and links on this important nexus.
     
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    I take the T.T. Brown experiments with lifting bodies to be a pretty good indication. Beginning on page 27 of the linked PDF below is a discussion of Thomas Townsend Brown's work. On page 49 is a drawing of a simple experiment showing a lifter that could easily be built and tested if you have a strong source of DC voltage.

    http://u2.lege.net/cetinbal/PDFdosya/EtherTech.pdf

    Here's an experiment I devised once when a friend loaned me his Van de Graph generator:

    I placed the VDG generator on a table and placed a thin round stick, centered under, and across its base. I energized it and found that by placing any substantial piece of matter, whether a plate of steel, a chunk of firewood, or my hand, near to the charged globe, perpendicular to the the axis of the stick under the base, that the attractive force of the charged dome would cause the whole apparatus to rock over the stick, pulled by its electrostatic force toward the nearby mass. I rocked it back and forth by changing on which side of the stick the nearby mass was placed. Here I had a demonstration to my own sensibility that here there is a force that is attractive to mass. Brown's experiments show this force to be repulsive to Earth's "gravity" when the negative charge faces down. So, I see that a negatively charged body attracts a body of mass unless the mass carries a like charge, such as Earth's upper layers. YouTube has any number of videos showing Biefeld Brown lifters in operation.

    Vortices have been shown to generate negative electric charge in their centripetal whorls. I believe Earth is such a vortex, and its so-called gravity could just as well be called its moto-electric charge. This charge, while unmeasurable in any practical way, seems to me to be what sticks us here. If all the planets are of like charge, then the forces holding them in their orbits will likely be of the ethers which I fully suspect to be where their motive forces have arisen. I do not accept any model of the universe as entropic. I view it as dynamic. Some may call it the "torsion field," I simply call it, the "motion field." I say that matter is not necessary for motion to exist. Motion is prior to matter, to which it owes its very existence.

    For me, the mass model of Newton has failed. I choose the dynamic ether vortex electrostatic model. I see these forces as a much more plausible explanation, especially in light of the descriptions of interplanetary catastrophes described by the ancients and recognized as such by Velikovsky, and after him, the Thunderbolts folks. I give more credence to Wal Thornhill than I do David Talbot, though. I think Velikovsky's scenario was pretty tight on its own, and Talbot's is on shakier, if more antiquated, ground. Velikovsky also saw Saturn as the previous Helios (in fact, originated this view in modern times and picked up on by Talbot), but all that history presented by Talbot is mostly to be derived from a few petroglyphs. In either case, it's hard for me to imagine any of it happening in a mass equals gravity physical environment.

    Here I go, ramblin again. <img src="http://www.thehighersidechatsplus.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/strangerthumb.jpg" alt="" />