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DEMOCRACY (the God that failed)

Discussion in 'Wild Card Forum' started by hisich, Feb 13, 2019.

  1. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

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    Where does JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs, and the Federal Reserve fit into this supposed government monopoly?
     
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    That certainly applies to fundamentalism of all flavors, including free-market fundamentalism.

    Explaining water rights will do just fine - I'm still waiting for a single syllable on that front.
     
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    Try to open a bank and/or issue your own money & govt. will shut you down or kill you. They're a govt.-sponsored/empowered cartel.
     
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    What is 'fundamentalist' about believing that peaceful people should be left alone...? Really, this is all libertarianism & free-market-ism is about...

    C'mon, now, you know that no matter what I say about water rights that you'll simply shoot it down! If you're truly interested in a free-market take on it (which you're probably not), you're welcome to search the internet for people who can explain it better than I can. I'll point out that the State (which is now taxing RAINFALL in some places) claiming ownership of water doesn't preclude problems (ask Flint, Michigan!).


    Who Owns Water?


    https://mises.org/library/who-owns-water
     
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    shamangineer Well-Known Member

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    What do you think the history of the Libertarian movement is? Do you have any idea who started it?

     
  6. hisich

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    I know what libertarianism means to me--promoting the non-aggression principle, self-ownership, and voluntary human interactions. Scary stuff, eh?

    Where does your belief in democracy & statism come from? State schools that were meant to turn you into a manageable, obedient 'citizen' (serf/slave)!
     
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    Really sticking to that signature quote by Hegel.
     
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    Again, not sure what the problem is w/promoting the NAP, self-ownership, and voluntary interactions...?
     
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    Learn the history, that video I linked gives a good summary as a start. Don't believe it? Look at the results where it has been tried.
     
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    Picture is worth a thousand worth :)
     
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    Serf - perhaps for now, obedient - not really.
     
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    This video reminded me of the above Monty Python clip regarding the granting of authority.

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    Declaring yourself President is about as legitimate as strange women lying in ponds distributing swords as a basis for a system of government.
     
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    LOL...I love it when other people try to tell me what my philosophical position is...its like I'm telling you I'm opposed to slavery & you're trying to convince me that I actually support slavery.

    NAP, self-ownership, voluntary-interactions...I can't make it any clearer than that!
     
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    Democracy w/i the context of a voluntary arrangement like this company is fine. Its involuntary arrangements like the govt./state where its unworkable (the bigger the govt./state, the more unworkable it is).

    Also, Shaman, how can some people vote to give other people powers that none of them individually (outside of the political system) possess in the first place?

    Examples: neither of us has the power to "tax" (i.e., extort) others, so how is it that we can bestow this power on others? We can't pass/enforce "laws" (i.e., kidnap or kill others for simply disagreeing w/us) so how can we bestow this power on others?
     
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    Upon realizing that the sheep is in fact a wolf wearing a disguise, do we still call it a sheep?

    That’s how I interpret so-called democracies (which are anti-democracies in reality) which are based upon siphoning energy (soul & money) for the very few at the top.

    In that context, voting to elect politicians is like turkeys setting the table for Thanksgiving, to use a David Ickian analogy.

    I love the novel ideas mentioned around prosperous workplaces, without being trapped into a communistic framework.
    Learned a lot by working/interning at some organizations, including NPOs that gave everyone more trust, and responsibilities to create a synergistic work environment.

    A while ago, in one of Erich Fromm’s book, he mentioned the example of a small French business that kickstarted a movement that empowers employees to develop their talents/skills at the workplace. These included workshops and classes in physics/engineering/gardening/financial literacy/physical exercise/ philosophy; arts, to really create a wholesome human being.
    But also, bonuses that would be given based on the economical impact of each worker (capped at a certain amount), and a two-way feedback debriefing at the end of each trimester.

    Even Google employees used to have their 10% side-interest time allotted to a project (an initiative that supposedly spawned GMaps; Gmail & more). Though now its become the digital guestapo..


    I had never heard of something like that, it made a huge impact on me at the time. Unfortunately, the company no longer exists today, but I’m sure the torch has been passed.

    Another one is Walter Russell’s book called THINK, outlining ethics in the businessplace and his work with IBM and its founder T. Watson. It’s almost ironic or rather, idealistic looking back half a century later given how much Russell is praising Watson’s efforts of a creating true Ethical Global paradigm. But the basic gist being balance between Inner (Mind) and Outer (Material) thinking ability.
     
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    At this point the word "democracy" has largely become meaningless...most folks use it as a synonym for "good". People love democracy until a vote doesn't go their way, then they go whining to a judge to overturn it, LOL.
     
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    Bribery is legal, corporate subsidies outweigh public services, and those that represent corporate interests over constituents needs are set for life through the revolving door. Wealth owns most of government today. These same moneyed interests fund the think tanks that peddle the symptom of poor governance in place of the cause which is largely unrestrained and poorly regulated business interests as they scream over-regulation.

    Abolishing democracy will only make the world into a sprawling series of slummy mill-towns with cloistered corporate overlords and factories that resemble prisons with a dictator put in place to ensure their needs are met. Look at South America to see what they want to do here with witless fools like yourself preaching freedom the whole way into the shackles you forged with your own tongue.
     
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