1. Hey Guest !

    Welcome to the new Higherside Forums. To start participating, you'll need a password for the system. You can get one established by clicking the "forgot password" link, and a URL to create one will be sent to your THC+ email. Your username should be the same, but these are now two independent systems. As a result, changes to your THC+ username/password will not be reflected in your THC Forum username and vise versa. Also, as a bonus, your ability to participate in the forums will continue beyond the life of your THC+ membership.

    Enjoy the upgrade! Users can now make a full profile, start conversations (private messages) between each other, give and track likes, utilize trophies, conduct polls, write public statuses, comment on statuses of others, subscribe to forums, receive alerts, see latest activity, share media, and much more!
    Dismiss Notice

Bullshit Jobs

Discussion in 'The Case For...' started by shamangineer, Feb 7, 2019.

  1. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    517
    David Graeber on elites using sycophantic and bureaucratic BS jobs to maintain the length of the workweek and keep everyone scrambling at their behest:
     
    #1 shamangineer, Feb 7, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2019
    1 person likes this.
  2. rani

    rani Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2018
    Messages:
    274
    Likes Received:
    258
    hahaha

    David Graeber : You all have BS jobs
    *auditorium full of BS jobbers claps heartily*
    Guy who is the definition of a Bullshit jobber: can we start by teasing out the notion that actually our jobs are just like? really complicated? and specialised? YOU JUST DON"T UNDERSTAND HOW NECESSARY I AM!

    -------

    Shamangineer - You always post such interesting and diverse content.

    I'm beginning to wonder whether YOU have a bullshit job! [wink]
     
    1 person likes this.
  3. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    517
    Haha, no I do worthwhile work, but I have noted the flunkie to worker ratio is growing on my own. I just think a bit above my station.
     
    weedlover and (deleted member) like this.
  4. rani

    rani Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2018
    Messages:
    274
    Likes Received:
    258
    Oh good, I would hate to think you were going to waste in a McJob.

    In my own experience, the higher I got in corporate, the less I actually had to do. It was weirdly stressful, being assigned assistants and having to make up shit for them to do when I barely had enough to scrape myself through the day.
     
    dannix and (deleted member) like this.
  5. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    517
    My problem is that MBAs and bean counters have taken over engineering departments and are cracking the whip on engineers to overcome the inefficiencies of the bureaucracies that have been created with large structural flaws.
     
    benhacked and dannix like this.
  6. enjoypolo

    enjoypolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2016
    Messages:
    789
    Likes Received:
    357
    I started reading the book called "Get a Life. Not a Job" by Paula Caligiuri who is a work psychologist with career in HR.

    I don't usually check out job/career books, but this one came to me at a time when I'm considering a move out from my current three-part-time jobs, especially, given that I will be moving from Canada to the Netherlands in the Fall.
    So far, I'm enjoying the read and find it quite useful with various self-assessment exercises. The basic gist of the book is:
    • It's hard (and un-advised) to rely on the ancient model of single career/occupation. Instead, she advises to think in terms of career acts throughout your life.
    • In today's tumultuous economy, it's safer financially and psychologically to have "side gigs" or passive income. Side gigs should be activities, or passion/hobbies you enjoy that can potentially become your primary career-act over time.
    • Focusing on single career-acts is not impossible, but it'll require your full attention/focus, and better suited if you are highly-skilled/hard-to-replace in your industry. Otherwise, it's risky.
    • Know thyself: what motivates you? this is big one I need to spend time on, as I'm the type that frequently jumps from one thing to another. This book is filled with short self-asessments that help to figure out these questions.
    Haven't finished the book yet, but thought it would be valuable to some people.
    It's quite amazing to notice the difference in comfort when I am at work doing something that usually brings me stress or anxiety, versus when I am volunteering in activities that lighten me up, and naturally makes me feel more participative and collaborative.

    One thing I've learnt from past-experiences (including once being fired without notice due to management mis-communication) is that things always happen for a reason, and sometimes being laid-off, there's always nuggets of truth/wisdom to be found upon careful reflection (aka destiny).
     
    weedlover and (deleted member) like this.
  7. dannix

    dannix New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2019
    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    4
    That's good to hear as I've usually gone career mode seeking large companies for job security (oops that was BS) Now I normally got 7 - 10yrs before I'm bored of a career, sensing that I was reaching that point again and became single about the same time I built the workshop I'd longed for so I can hone my craft and eventually make something to sell, what that will be I don't know but free energy has synced with me for some time so I think I will experiment on some of that or boiling water with frequency and energy efficient ways to distil water interest me.
     
    1 person likes this.
  8. enjoypolo

    enjoypolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2016
    Messages:
    789
    Likes Received:
    357
    I totally resonate with you Dannix. In fact, my "catalyst" awakening moment in 2016 started with a realization that "free-energy" exists (aka, from the field), precisely with Moray, then Tesla, etc. Much later (more recently) I became fascinated with the Water rabbit-hole (Schauberger; G. Pollack; Emoto Masaru; Moray B King).
    For a while, I was confused as to how to proceed forward as I'm not much of an engineer to develop vortexers; hydrolysis for Brown's gas, etc.
    Yet, the potential of water-based techs (including mind-based, or intentions) holds so infinite possibilities, that I always keep it in the back of my head.

    Right now, I'm moving more towards food production systems as a career goal.
    Yet, somehow (call it intuition), I know (sense) that these ideas will all converge back at some point in my life.
    I get tremendous inspiration from this community, that always push the envelope of what I know.

    PS: If you haven't listened to the water-alchemy episode, I highly recommend it. One of my top 5 THCs.


    EDIT: This catamaran Race-For-Water is a great example of how water can end our reliance on fossil fuels.
    It uses solar panels covering the deck to catalyze the electrolysis of sea-water, and storing the hydrogen in fuel-cells for propulsion. There's even a kite acting as a sail for back-up.
    Genius, and it's been going around the world to demonstrate how efficient the process is.

    I also like the Toyota Mirai, if only it wasn't for the fact that they purposefully locked it to use it only via fuel cell chargers (instead of allowing it run re-using waste water from exhaust, and/or rain-water collection)
     
    #8 enjoypolo, Mar 7, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2019
  9. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    517
    Here is another talk by David Graeber about the history of technology and the rise of bureaucratic systems as a societal counterbalance and steering mechanism.
     
    1 person likes this.
  10. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    517
    I think there is a frequenciy list floating around based on Dale Pond's research of Keeley that has water disassociation listed. Might be a good place to start.
     
    dannix likes this.
  11. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    517
    Dannix, another interesting thread to pull at with water and power is the Joe cell and solid-state Jenny Cell. If these were refined and combined with a functioning orgone motor, it would be like a steampunk industrial revolution.
     
  12. dannix

    dannix New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2019
    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    4
    very nice suggestions Shamangineer. I've been a tad busy on some workshop stuff but I'll be sure to look these up, many thanks :)
     
  13. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    517
    I'm having a rough time at work. To start with I haven't had a manager for a year or a director for 9 months, this has left me reporting to a VP-level a-hole who never met with me in such a capacity. I had a "temporary" manager, but she was so awful she said "You aren't a thinker, you're a tinkerer" and I had to go to the VP a-hole over it. My job isn't a BS job, but I am going through a lot of BS. I was basically told by the VP I am getting a 0% raise and going on an improvement plan - meanwhile last year I got the maximum raise and bonus. From what I can tell I am being scapegoated by the VP for a problem which could cost the company $1 million/day and has been known about for 5 years that I basically just solved. I had to go to the head of HR over this. Wish me luck, I trust HR about as far as I can throw them, but everything about this situation stinks to high heaven and nobody followed procedure at any step of the process. I haven't even been shown my review. That's some bullshit.
     
    1 person likes this.
  14. enjoypolo

    enjoypolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2016
    Messages:
    789
    Likes Received:
    357
    That sucks to hear man, it's all becoming too common nowadays. I can only try to empathize with your situation Shamangineer.
    Certainly tough times ahead to navigate for sure.
     
  15. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    517
    Gave myself a tarot reading, and it came up pretty good. It basically says that I will be ok.

    The spread:
    1) me; the ace of cups. Healing, peace, and love.
    2) something from the past; 6 of wands. Achievement through teamwork.
    3) other important information; wheel of fortune. A change of fortune.
    4) the present situation; 9 of wands. Making a last stand.
    5) the main obstacle; ace of wands. Drive, will, enterprise.
    6) the immediate future; 9 of pentacles. Wealth, security, independence.
    7) the probable outcome; 10 of pentacles. Stability, security, balance.
     
    #15 shamangineer, Mar 17, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2019
    greatshakes and (deleted member) like this.
  16. enjoypolo

    enjoypolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2016
    Messages:
    789
    Likes Received:
    357
    That's so great to hear, man. Great move seeking divination for guidance too!
    For once, their propaganda is right:
    [​IMG]
     
  17. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    517
    Well I had my meeting with HR and I am not on an improvement plan, but management review under a new manager. I think this is essentially because they must not have had enough verified information to proceed with an improvement plan. I was told if I get through that I would get a retroactive raise otherwise I would have to go on an improvement plan. It is the third day and already the heat is turning up. I'm thinking I should start looking, the whole atmosphere is so rotten. I also definitely get the impression that I have a target on my back from the VP.

    The whole place frankly sounds like the wheels are about to come off, they have tied our performance for the next year to releasing half a dozen new products when typically this is a multi-year process.

    With regards to my reading, I am not sure if I am meant to keep working here, I can't really see how there could be any real security here. But I did another and it came up saying I was in for security and wealth, so who knows what's going on at this point. When I have done readings related to work here before it's always a bit difficult to interpret in the moment, but has proven accurate in retrospect as black swans find their roost.
     
  18. theimpervious

    theimpervious New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2018
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    3
    Long time listener/lurker, but for whatever reason, your professional travails have inspired me to emerge from the shadows @shamangineer . As a fellow bullshit job-haver, I must say that your experience resonates with me at a high vibrational energy level.

    Engineering background, but in a more business role, had my first two "dream-ish" jobs upended by management dysfunction and Peter Principle Poster Children whose incompetence and ineffectiveness lead to a mass diaspora of talent. In corporate settings, as you've pointed out before, the crippling weight of unnecessary and ineffectual middle-management puts the individual contributor at risk since we bear all the responsibility for day-to-day results, making it only a matter of time until we are scapegoated by an opportunistic, dickheaded VP or Director.

    Understood bullshit jobs put food on the table and make pondering the deeper questions in life possible, you owe nothing to your employer, as they certainly see you as an "at will" employee. It's time to get out of there, brother, as I can attest to the severe emotional drain felt when each day showing up to the same shitty office feels like borrowed time. Obviously you don't just up an resign, that's what they would prefer you to do, instead you should look at how you can extract as much value from your current employer to give you the time/money to properly search for the next job. What's to stop you from spending however many months left there looking for the next job while on the clock? Assuming your specialty isn't so narrow that opportunities are limited, this is one of the strongest job markets we've ever seen for technical types, so it could be a great opportunity for a slight cash windfall. Is it possible they would lay you off and give you severance? If they actually try to fire you under the dubious circumstances you mentioned, their may even be a discrimination lawsuit on your hands.

    I can attest to how much greener grass is on the other side. Working for a small company in a similar role has been a liberating experience-- all the good stuff of the other jobs, none of the bullshit. If not for the misfortune of my previous jobs going South, I wouldn't have known what to seek out in the next role to make me happy, but sure enough I think I found it.

    Anyways, just hoping to offer some encouragement as I know how shitty it is to be in your position, but how liberating it can be to make it through to the other side. Looking forward to some positive updates in the future, bud!

    Also--Let me just say that the Aether Theory, Ancient Alchemy & Ormus episode is one of my all time favorites followed closely by the Engineered Abundance episodes. The densely researched and cited episodes are far preferred to a YouTuber talking out their ass for 2 hours, looking forward to the next one!
     
    2 people like this.
  19. shamangineer

    shamangineer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    517
    I have worked for several small companies in the past, but couldn't manage to find ones that lasted or could compete on pay. If you find the wrong one you can be micromanaged and harangued to a degree unfathomable in a larger company.

    Thanks for your vote of confidence, I always try to provide the best information I can.
     
  20. greatshakes

    greatshakes New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2019
    Messages:
    12
    Likes Received:
    10
    In defense of bullshit jobs, I've noticed that they can provide a legitimate target for hostile other-directed energies in the self -- and therefore in a broadened scope, a way of redirecting these bad energies and their associated emotions away from family and friends, and onto the assholes you work with. The dark side of this arrangement becomes clear after retirement -- if you manage to live that long. I've had friends who turned mean in their golden years because the old punching bag in their life, the hated job, was no longer theirs to whale on. Of course, if you suffer from an excess of hostile other-directed activity on a daily basis, you may wish to ask why, and deal with it, before rushing out to take a job you hate.