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7 Questions for UBI Proponents

Discussion in 'Wild Card Forum' started by hisich, Apr 19, 2019.

  1. shamangineer

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    Great link ShamanG, Bergman talks some sense in that interview from 2017. Even though I don’t agree with all his points, I do think he’s a canary in the coal mine. The lowering of IQ affected by low-income is something Yang talks about too, and should have us worried in the long-term.

    I’d love to hear a better idea to tackle that specific problem, I just don’t see it.
    Opening borders to everyone is not something I’m a fan of (and I’m speaking as immigrant myself), and I see the worry.

    But Greg and Scott mentioned something new at the time in the interview that I hadn’t heard of before, which was a sort of tax (or fee) imposed on immigration application fees, which would go towards the UBI cash pool. That way, you come to see immigrants as valuable, contributors, as well as encouraging them to follow through the rules to become eventually a Permanent Resident or citizen, and to get access to UBI.

    PS: the same logic applies to me for people serving their sentence in jail. From a rehabilitative justice perspective, I think it would increase a sense of belonging to community; opportunities to succeed upon getting out of jail, and thus potentially lowering recidivism. (I can hear people screaming “youre giving free money to child molesters?!”.. its a tough question, but I do think it needs to be asked)
     
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    I think there are three main sources of immigration: opportunists, idealists, and refugees. The refugees are largely a result of US and NATO foriegn policy while the opportunists are largely a result of the financial interests of the same nations, with the two feeding each other. If the "shithole" countries had a more equitable distribution of wealth, economic autonomy, and weren't being played as pawns on the global chessboard these places would be livable, and their cultures could thrive rather than be traumatized. In essence if the world were a better place immigration would be largely a product of finding a culture or work that you loved rather than having to run from something or a lack of necessities.
     
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    The State Capitalism (Fascism) we have now (thanks to 'Progressivism') promotes cartels/crony-ism/waste...but not entire industries of BS jobs like the more socialistic aspects of the current system...public schools/teachers, cops/prison-guards, tax-collectors, regulators, the military-industrial-complex, lawyers (who thrive off of the insanely complex/non-sensical socialist legal system we have) to name some of the worst.

    That said, I don't see you or very many others opting-out of the 'capitalist' system you bash so much. Nor do I see you or your fellow Ubistas being able to answer 7 very simple Q's...
     
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    Well, importing vast numbers of Low-IQ people from culturally-incompatible (even hostile) 3rd World Shit-holes--who promptly become a drain on the Western host nation--isn't helping.

    Subsidizing Low-IQ people with 'free' welfare goodies (i.e., taking resources from High-IQ people & transferring them to Low-IQ people) doesn't help either. How stupid is it to re-direct resources AWAY from intelligent, capable, motivated individuals who make good decisions to dumb, incapable, unmotivated individuals who make bad decisions?

    Encouraging High-IQ women to pursue careers rather than family is no good either.

    Penalizing success w/high taxes & social disapproval is pretty moronic as well.

    What you Do-Gooders can't get through your heads is that your short-sighted good intentions, in the long-term, pave the way to hell. Socialistic ideas are essentially creating an Idiocracy where dumb people out-breed and overwhelm smart people. Look at places like Rhodesia & South Africa (once the Jewels of Africa) to see where unrestrained democracy (i.e., allowing Stupid People to vote) & socialism leads to.
     
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    How's that bleeding-heart immigration working out for the European nations dumb enough to import vast numbers of Low-IQ Islamists & Africans from the 3rd World? Or for America which has allowed 10's of millions of non-assimilating, Low-IQ hispanics into the nation?


    WRONG. They are entirely a result of European/American nations failing to guard their borders against an unarmed invasion.


    Wealth isn't 'distributed', it is CREATED. History shows us that allowing the creators of wealth to keep it produces better outcomes for society-at-large. Imagine if we taxed Greg Carlwood/THC (who works his butt off to produce a superior podcast product & is rewarded in-kind) in order to 'help less fortunate' podcasters...ludicrous, eh?


    The world would be a better place if we learned from history...and if alien cultures/ethnicities stuck to their own kind,
     
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    You act as if the fascism experienced now is a result of government control of capital rather than capital control of government. Both forms have a small tyrannical minority at the levers of power (party or owners). But today corporate money impacts policy more than any other factor.

    "Opting-out of capitalism" you act as if it is a simple choice. Completely opting out of capitalism would essentially mean dying of deprivation in the streets.
     
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    Who has the guns & enforces its will at gunpoint? Who has a monopoly over the legal, educational, and monetary systems? Whose "business model" is: Pay Or Die?

    I don't see too many Amish folks "dying in the streets"...in fact, I believe they're one of the few European-descended demographics which is actually growing.
     
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    So Europeans and their descendants should allow the the same to happen to them? Man, you people are stupid...
     
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    Whatever you do, DON'T LEARN FROM HISTORY!!!


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    Why did the Europeans leave to come here to begin with? It wasn't exactly a hop, skip, and a jump to cross the Atlantic back then. What made it worth the expense, risk, and hardship? Try not to speak in terms of ideals, persecution, deprivation, or opportunity in your answer since you don't seem to recognize those as valid reasons.
     
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    My suggestion to those who don't like the State Capitalism which exists is for y'all (and we know there are A LOT of you) to buy up some large tracts of land to collectively manage...for the life of me I don't know why y'all complain so much about your comfy 1st-World lives when you could be living on a commune...
     
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    Jeez...we've gotten FAR away from the 7 simple Q's for Ubistas...you're a master at derailing & dodging uncomfortable critiques, eh?
     
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    I fixed that for you, wouldn't want people to be too confused by your words.

    Hey y'all - ya hear that. It's so simple! Large tracts of land and nightly orgies here I come! All those years of preparation, networking, and tens of thousands of dollars you thought necessary to do this evidently aren't required. Once you get out there capitalism will no longer be able to negatively effect you!

    If that actually we're the case I would already be there.
     
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    Is that what presenting factually based arguments is called in your neck of the woods?
     
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    IMO, the terms are basically interchangeable. Govts. are, indeed, corporations. Groups of individuals operating as fictitious entities.


    I never said "its so simple". However, its entirely possible for like-minded haters of 'capitalism' (from what I can tell there are MILLIONS of y'all) to pool their money to buy tracts of uninhabited land & put their theoretical collectivism into action. Now, you'll still have to pay 'protection money' to your friend/partner (the govt.) in the form of property taxes & possibly for access to things like water, but otherwise you'd be free to enact things like UBI, etc.

    I have a LibTard Brother-in-law who attempted to do something similar in pooling his $ w/a few dozen like-minded LibTards (all of them upper-middle-class hypocrites, of course) to create a condo co-op in Portland which was going to be oh-so-progressive & environmentally-friendly...after 2-3 years of having construction blocked by their oh-so-progressive local govt. & the EPA they gave up, LMFAO...the retard then had the nerve & lack of self-awareness to complain about "excessive environmental regulations" :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:.

    Similarly, an aunt of mine who is also a bleeding-heart LibTard who cares SO much about the poor/needy made a bee-line to city hall when a low-income housing development was proposed in her neighborhood...again, total lack of self-awareness & hypocrisy...she & her fellow LibTard neighbors were successful in their NIMBY-ism & the project was blocked & eventually thrust on another less militantly organized neighborhood.

    You LibTards almost NEVER practice what you preach...
     
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    What is the title of this thread?
     
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    Do you pay taxes? Carry a driver's license? Pull over for the red and blue? Sorry If I don't live up to your high standards of purity.

    Care to tell me what makes spontaneously-organized aligned self-interest so much more practical than democracy? Or perhaps why you are red color-blind?
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    Maybe you will say why you haven't gone to Galton's Gulch to get away from all us libtard moochers?
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